Since the launch of our Horizon Subscription Upgrade Program in 2019, many VMware Horizon customers have upgraded to our Horizon Universal Subscription offering, taking advantage of several benefits including:
Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Rizwan Shaikh
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Andy Whiteside: hi everyone, welcome to episode 24 of on the horizon i'm your host Andy whiteside i've got special guests, I think, second time on Rizwan is with us Rizwan is recently joins INTEGRA as a solutions architect, as well as part time consultant on our vmware practice was Rizwan how's it going.
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Rizwan Shaikh: i'm fine, how are you.
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Andy Whiteside: i'm good i'm a little embarrassed I don't know how to pronounce your last name but i'm afraid to screw it up, so I want to I don't I don't know that i've ever heard of pronounce they're very cozy Rizwan Rizwan Rizwan.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah resigned would be good, and last name is shake.
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Andy Whiteside: shake okay got it Thank you so there's one is a joining us from some part of India at the moment right are you still you still over there.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah i'm in i'm going to install Mumbai.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Very much mastracchio.
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Andy Whiteside: yeah i'm all right i'm help me, and this is my ignorance big time ignorance on the history of India, the name moon by.
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Andy Whiteside: 30 years ago became mainstream, but in the US, I think we call that Bombay.
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Andy Whiteside: For the longest time that's.
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helped me understand that.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Well yeah it's all it's all started with the name of Bombay, this is what the main originally was yeah and a mommy's a place which is located in Maharashtra state, and it is quite.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Dominant by by people who stay in Mumbai can see in Maharashtra and these people actually renamed the place from Bombay Mumbai that's what really happened actually so.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Yes, I mean that's why we used to call it Bombay and the name of the place remains as a testament to the only the only the name has been changed to Mumbai for addressing things base as it is actually.
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Rizwan Shaikh: It is still being the complete government is is the local government that we have here.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And yeah I mean they have to in fact not only the place name of the place have been to a lot of other places have been also changed and we now call many times and if I stations every now called with the name of the LEADER that sense, who actually made complete India, right now, like.
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Rizwan Shaikh: One of the name is jumping to show how do you manage and we've got a lot of our stations are like going to the airport, for that matter is named after him it's going to show it.
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Rizwan Shaikh: To me, listen to the show I did my last time that we feel together because i'm back to India in India, you would keep on hearing these kind of means coming again.
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Andy Whiteside: yeah What was their cultural significance of changing the name of the city.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah so the remote bikers thought that the name has to be more for look more of a feeling of having a local but somebody comes in.
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Rizwan Shaikh: To the place the Bombay Bombay it should not sounding as if it's an English name which should be a kind of looking name.
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Rizwan Shaikh: But they can be thick and they can feel it, I mean they can and the wisdom can actually feel that you have this is more of our our local me brother brother, naturally, accordingly, so that's where the name of the places i've been changing every now and then asking for looking.
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Andy Whiteside: Alright, so a little history lesson little history lesson for me and for others and i'm sorry if I didn't already know that I I think somewhere along the way i've.
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Andy Whiteside: looked into it.
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Andy Whiteside: I know because i'm always good.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, I appreciate you joining us I think we've decided coming into.
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Andy Whiteside: This podcast and we're going to cover something that's not super new announcement, but it's still a little murky to me, and this is from June of this year sachin Sharma has.
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Rizwan Shaikh: A blog and shot my.
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Andy Whiteside: title of introducing new horizon SAS essay as additions to reduce to show cost of ownership with automation optimization and management performance so.
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Andy Whiteside: I guess you know, as I told you coming into this, I was going to ask you some questions that might sound dumb on my part, but i've always been a little confused by what.
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Andy Whiteside: What vmware had for product offerings because of the way it kind of evolved, is this really just the the bringing forward a vmware in such a way that one product ties you into all the different SAS excuse me cloud infrastructure public cloud offerings.
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Through one contract.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah, that is, that is true, and so, if you look at the complete.
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Rizwan Shaikh: change that we have done with respect to that effect of horizon infrastructure, whereas it used to be.
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Rizwan Shaikh: us to I complete a purely a native platform really an on Prem platform, we used to have all the workloads 30 virtual desktop workers, we deployed on Prem, including the control planes are also deploy on Prem.
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Rizwan Shaikh: But going ahead, moving ahead photo of me and they're actually talking multiple options there in by the complete deployment can be done over the cloud.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And this includes not only and this actually provided a lot of other flexible OPS like you can now go ahead.
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Rizwan Shaikh: and deploy a database solution, but you don't have to the users and the administrators don't have to worry about.
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Rizwan Shaikh: deploying of media, you simply have to go ahead manage their applications and manage their virtual desktop workloads and the infrastructure does everything automatically for them.
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Rizwan Shaikh: We also brought in our infrastructure as a service option, which means that you have as a customer, you have to be in control.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Of the infrastructure, including the workloads and that's what spread across actually for the for the customers and they can manage to really want to have they want to manage the infrastructure across.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The platform, now the bigger aspect here is, and this is what is good for our customers also right, I mean.
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Rizwan Shaikh: We have actually provided a lot of options to the customer and whatever what am I picked up from private cloud platform that you want to go ahead, but i'm a hyper speed and you want to select.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The customers can go ahead and select on your choice they don't have to stick to one plus one specific solutions of US perfect cloud options, they can actually go ahead and select any other option that they want to.
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Rizwan Shaikh: See, for example, if the customer is on Microsoft azure we do have didn't have a solution for for for for these customers, where they can go ahead.
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Rizwan Shaikh: and deploy raising as a part of pricing right you've ever eaten on azure platform and that goes into offerings one is the desktop as a service, which means we can go ahead.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Just just worry about the virtual workloads and applications that said infrastructure this care of all the spinning up of washing machines and applications.
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Rizwan Shaikh: and the other is and and infrastructure, the service oxy which is basically as your vmware solution that the customer can go ahead and.
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Rizwan Shaikh: deploy the solution deploy the infrastructure and CDC platform and build up the end our multi cloud platform for Michael if the customer wants to go ahead with.
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Rizwan Shaikh: IBM to aws the customer has a feature same thing goes with the gtd as well, that is, the Google cloud vmware engine and same thing goes with CBS as well yeah and.
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Andy Whiteside: So just so i'm clear right, so you have the ability, native hyper scale lawyers, as well as vmware has capabilities to run on top of hardware in those data centers so you can truly span across the clouds natively or with this ubiquitous layer of vmware across the multiple clouds.
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Rizwan Shaikh: that's correct, so you can definitely span across to the cloud platform natively it's been stalking go ahead.
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Rizwan Shaikh: You can actually have a kind of being a Dr site spin up across to do a blog platform, and it means I can can can still remain in the on Prem or.
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Rizwan Shaikh: that's that's you got the option that we can be live to the to the customer, or they can have a complete deployment data on on the on the cloud platform, both on premises, the last, the last time actually.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So that's something which.
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Andy Whiteside: How long have you been in this space etc space.
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Rizwan Shaikh: i've been in the space for about 17 years now studying with scores the mainstream with citrix and then moved on to the horizon yeah.
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Andy Whiteside: So do you remember you know 1012 years ago, maybe 15 now getting old you know, the Conference of the the hypervisor battles between citrix and Microsoft and vmware.
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Andy Whiteside: And it was all about whoever on the hypervisor was going to own the front row seat to desktop and APP virtualization it's like that stories come full circle.
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Andy Whiteside: And vmware has a leg up now, because their hypervisor truly did went out, and so, if you want something that traverses all the different clouds now the sudden that that battle over the hypervisor just got important.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah that's true that's true, and he said, basically, if you look at our customer base as well.
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Rizwan Shaikh: You will find almost like 60 70% in fact 70% of the market is still the spear right, and if you look at the hyper scale apart and.
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Rizwan Shaikh: That becomes very prominent for the customers to move ahead with the with the revelation obviously really be resolutions itself is just like spinning up multiple other solutions on an existing vmware stack that they have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: and talking about the same infrastructure as a service it's the same it's the same layer of hypervisor that is sitting over there, the same layer of storage optimization network optimization in doing so much libation that that the customer gets it, so the.
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Andy Whiteside: next section, so it talks about introducing horizon standard.
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Andy Whiteside: Plus subscription and horizon enterprise plus Is this the one that allows you to take the on premises and the cloud offerings and blend them together, you have to have this one.
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Rizwan Shaikh: that's correct yeah yeah okay.
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Andy Whiteside: So.
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Andy Whiteside: So horizon subscription.
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Andy Whiteside: That gets you the clouds, but if you want both the on Prem and the clouds then is this subscription plus or horizon enterprise plus.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah So if you look at writing licensing rights and licensing is, we can categorize into into like two categories one is like you have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The pricing OPS and perpetual license abstraction and subscription term so basically you go ahead and you can have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Your horizon Apps have been diving the APP standard, you have amazing Apps enterprise stone based program So these are the term be slicing basically denotes that.
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Rizwan Shaikh: You can deploy these licenses only on Prem yeah I mean you can you can have all of the components of on Prem you can deploy it across your on Prem environment, and you can you can spin up your virtual workloads.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Now, if the customer wants to have a flexibility or wants to be only deploy their workloads on cloud, then they can go to reversing based licensing and that is where you see across the horizon standard plus subscription and the enterprise subscription that he can see so.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The biggest thing that you see here and that's something which, if you look at the.
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Rizwan Shaikh: horizon Apps or even after university subscription basically you get the you get the option to deploy to have a multi cloud deployment across actually and that goes to both on Prem as well as any any public cloud of the customers chance.
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Andy Whiteside: And is there still desktop additions APP additions it's all one horizon edition now.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah it's like a horizon horizon APP standard subscription or horizon Apps universal subscription these licenses are for application virtualization.
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Rizwan Shaikh: or server based desktop virtualization so, which means like if I, if I have to correlate with Zen APP it would be perfect, for that matter, it would be suffering Center.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So you have you can actually go ahead, publish the applications and publish the desktops off the, off the server and you would need a terminal server license our audience based licensing on these on these environments and you can you can spin up the work you're actually.
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Rizwan Shaikh: makes you want to go have with the with the vdi with windows 10 windows seven video, for that matter, then you can we can go ahead with writing standard to have like an enterprise level solution, providing us with the actual assets.
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Andy Whiteside: Okay, so what what's the primary thing that enterprise plus subscription brings to this equation.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So enterprise plus brings you the capability of application virtualization, including the desktop virtualization.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The best part here is like you also get.
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Rizwan Shaikh: This is really meant for the customers who would who would like to move ahead, not only with the on Prem but also in the cloud, which means they.
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Rizwan Shaikh: might go ahead and they might scale up the infrastructure to the cloud one time, one point of time or they want to move completely on on the cloud actually upon.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The moment they deployed across so so, then this license becomes pretty pretty easy to go ahead and use it on top of it, what we also do it is.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Apart from along with giving the application and desktop virtualization we also provide them the storage optimization which is probably to resign.
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Rizwan Shaikh: that's something which which speak with across here, we also have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The option of either giving with no ncdc interpreter, in the sense like if the customer already has say, for example, the fee if you picture this like if the customer has.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And the MC on aws options already already there, and he may not be meeting.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The V sphere part which comes across with your life with the to the licenses so he can actually go ahead and again, you can also you can also good go ahead and choose an option of.
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Rizwan Shaikh: know the sphere or new htc infrastructures Yolanda these licenses, which means that he gets he actually get a discounted.
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Rizwan Shaikh: licensing when you go ahead with the vmware horizon licensing access but that's something that she gets to the cross it apart from this, we get to the next line next application virtualization including Linux hosted applications.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Or what we see lead external services, for that matter, in fact, along with that unix virtual desktops as well that he gets he gets long.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The best part that he also gets here as the horizon controlling now about the best teachers.
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Rizwan Shaikh: In fact, if you go to pricing universal edition revision sufficient if I talked about, and we also get some racing control plane, actually, and this is there any can do complete image that has been for cloud monitoring capability sufficient services, including they give us some broker.
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Andy Whiteside: The other part is jumping out to me is the cloud monitoring service, a question about that do I do, I have to run the vmware hypervisor some of that one of the vmware services to get this or will it also monitor native native hyper scale.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Look at the.
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Rizwan Shaikh: cms solution, I mean he cms has been working the time behind the desk solution pricing azure so.
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Rizwan Shaikh: This component of vmware is posting across on the back end pro license and broadening the control plane staffing model basically so.
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Rizwan Shaikh: cms can monitor the motion work notes is irrespective of very much involved with a hosted it can be either on a reduction for like for the baby have it on horizon and short or it can also be on on the eastern front definitely going to be some tangible.
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Andy Whiteside: Okay sweet.
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Andy Whiteside: see what else, so you have any experiences of customers who have gone this route, since the announcement.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah I have some of my customers who have gone through this route actually who who have seen the benefits of having having the cloud deployment across on the platform and some of them are basically the idea here is company at this infrastructure that actually wants to build up like.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Complete horizon infrastructure actually across the cloud platform.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Some of the banking infrastructure banking customers have gone to the cloud now pharmacy and they have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The licenses that they have gone ahead, this is 50 writing universal edition where.
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Rizwan Shaikh: They had gone ahead and leave deployed media is on Prem but they have also scaled up, they are Dr infrastructure.
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Rizwan Shaikh: To cloud and that's the biggest benefit that they have bought across actually when they can when they went ahead with the pricing, he was licenses.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So these customers they had a cloud adoption actually already being done on the MC on aws platform and windy windy we're talking about horizon infrastructure.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The biggest thing that I liked about the licensing is like the lightning is pretty flexible right, and then you can deploy your some of the workload skip fashion workloads on the on Prem and some.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And the remaining amount of meetings workloads can be deployed on the on the aws platform that's something to stay have leveraged across a couple of customers.
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Rizwan Shaikh: couple of my customers have also seen great benefits on simple horizon on as your platform a simple solution.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And they don't have to worry about the back end infrastructure it's all being managed about banished from Microsoft azure or business, and we have to focus on their application folks in the media is and that's it.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And they go to and the most prominent feature that they have been using on the Microsoft azure infrastructure is windows 10 multi session environment.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So with with the with the horizon, obviously in back rising, they are also able to leverage they weren't able to enable for windows seven bucks a month session and Martin Linda segmentation environment Ashley and that's what they appear for the youth of today.
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Andy Whiteside: And there's one give me example, are you seeing people to to to one on vm or 22 one on vm.
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Rizwan Shaikh: i'm sorry good.
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Andy Whiteside: How many sessions per desktop or you seen people try to leverage.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Oh, what I what I normally seen here is, if you look at web services, for that matter, I have the desktop services, I see a total of like 2032 users per vm say the same thing.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And these are the other users who would normally use normally use applications like Ms office or some browser based applications.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Some of the users all to use desktops here so that they can they can they can move a lot, they can work to.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Work on pretty ugly xml is probably excel files and emails on the desktop itself, but these are normal tasks workers to act maximum.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Knowledge workers and, but if you go with the beyond that you have to go ahead to the media stuff it's really is always a one to one session that we have yeah.
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Andy Whiteside: And here's a kind of a zinger for you how how many of the desktop workloads out there that you're seeing are still like a persistent workload, even where the users even have admin rights what what use case, do you see for that still.
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Rizwan Shaikh: As you mentioned, like it's all it all depends on your use cases use, so I have, I have one of my customer who is again an IP ideas customer who who have developers, who are using vdi is across and while they're working from home and this use case is pretty.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Pretty straightforward for us better users will be having their own devices, their own desktops it's a kind of a be via or environment that they want to bring it in.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And they can they can have any of their desktops they can simply log into the vdi and they can they can start.
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Rizwan Shaikh: start their work and start working on the application code their applications across, and these are receiving from every developer users actually who have access, who have admin access to the vdi.
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Rizwan Shaikh: So when they log in they have all of their applications coming in, and they can they can start start working on the applications and, finally, the log off from the from the media.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Now these diplomacy disciple workers.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Are there where I have seen not only in the ids but also in the banking environment i've seen developer users actually using obs i'm using the applications actually across and and, and this is.
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Rizwan Shaikh: A heavy workload, because the applications are like that you have you have to Code, the application record application compiles with 66 probably a pretty high resource utilization.
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Andy Whiteside: yeah without a dad.
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Andy Whiteside: and
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Rizwan Shaikh: And I have.
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Rizwan Shaikh: yeah and I also see a couple of workloads on the production floor like I like to talk about an automobile manufacturing company.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Where I have seen users using designer based applications on the vdi workload.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And you definitely like, if I have to say that Scott application that they use it, and a lot of applications, like otter CAP so that after applying the winner, for that matter.
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Rizwan Shaikh: But rabbit is one of the application that either the graphics application which, which is basically using production floor.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And some of the use cases are please pretty interesting because what they do is basically the the designers who simply log on to vdi they they actually go ahead.
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Rizwan Shaikh: define the complete our car cars exterior the complete stream of the car and then they collaborate with multiple users, using the horizon collaboration tool and they they basically go ahead and.
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Rizwan Shaikh: The understand like how the design, can be done and, finally, they they set up different bad actually but that's something which, which is, which is one of the most important use case that has come across the street and my customer environment.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And why we've been doing the PRC we actually happened to stop to them understand like what things that they want to see more on the horizon in front.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And the best part of the sentence like here's what we just want to see like you said a way that we can collaborate with multiple uses the same video in front and is it possible to use it and that's unfair.
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Rizwan Shaikh: This is there this use case came in baby baby baby talk about like horizon collaboration tool.
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Rizwan Shaikh: On on basically designing the compute exterior of the car painting of the car like what kind of work and a scholar can be used to the car.
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Rizwan Shaikh: And how it can be well designed, what kind of what kind of polishing that can be done on the on the exterior of the of the automobile so that's something which which they collaborate on the vdi session itself.
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Rizwan Shaikh: stop looking at three happy.
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Andy Whiteside: here's one I got an interview I gotta go run and do this has been great I appreciate you helping to explain this and i'm looking forward to having you on every week.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Thanks so much Andy yep sure yeah.
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Andy Whiteside: happy to have you on the team, I appreciate you.
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Rizwan Shaikh: Thank you very much thank you, thank.