VMware Horizon is a virtualization software product for delivering desktops and apps on Windows, Linux, and MacOS systems. It is especially relevant today because so many of us are working remotely. Whether you’re a system administrator or a pizza deliverer, you need easy access to the apps and desktops that help you do your job. And you need that access to be secure.
Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Philip Sellers
Co-host: Moin Khan
VMware Horizon is a virtualization software product for delivering desktops and apps on Windows, Linux, and MacOS systems. It is especially relevant today because so many of us are working remotely. Whether you’re a system administrator or a pizza deliverer, you need easy access to the apps and desktops that help you do your job. And you need that access to be secure.
Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-host: Philip Sellers
Co-host: Moin Khan
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Andy Whiteside: Everyone. Welcome to episode 28 of on the horizon. I'm your host, Andy White Side today is December twelfth, 2,022 i've got a couple of the Zen Tiger guys on the call with me, Philip Sellers. How's it going?
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Philip Sellers: Good, Andy? How you doing good?
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Andy Whiteside: How is the transition from the customer side of the world to the consulting side of the world. Going
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Philip Sellers: dude. I I am loving it. This is fantastic, and I am happy to be here. I've I've had a blast. It's only been a month, but man, this is it's everything I hoped it would be. And then some
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Andy Whiteside: is it the custom interactions? Is it the getting out of the corporate politics? What? What's the
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Philip Sellers: what? What do you? What do you found most intriguing about. I'm really enjoying our customer conversation. So you know, getting the poke into someone else's environment here what they're struggling with, and then propose ways that we can solve those problems together. Is it's pretty fun. I mean it's
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Philip Sellers: It's a great and rewarding sort of thing for my personality, anyway. So really enjoying those conversations. Are you finding that customers are further ahead than where you left, or they're further behind, and you're got the opportunity to help them catch up.
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Philip Sellers: You know it's been a mix so far, and it really depends on the the makeup of the company that we're talking with. But, you know it's it's been a mix. Some companies are definitely forging ahead with their digital transformation and doing really cool things around, refactoring their apps and changing the way they work.
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Philip Sellers: And then there's a lot of customers that are are still doing more traditional sort of on-prem or co-located data center strategy. And so we we've got wonderful things we can do with with both of those
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Philip Sellers: both of those use cases and and help them succeed.
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Andy Whiteside: That was you're getting the hang of it as a very political answer.
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Andy Whiteside: and i'm assuming you're finding that our friends at Vmware, whether it's on the the infrastructure side or the end user compute. So I have a lot to offer that folks don't realize.
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Philip Sellers: Oh, yeah, absolutely You know, we
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Philip Sellers: I've had a long time or a long relationship with Vmware. And so it's. It's great to be able to continue working with all the same folks here in the Carolinas that I've built relationships with over the years, and I'm looking forward to to helping them go out and evangelize more of what they're doing, and horizon and workspace one.
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Philip Sellers: that's a technology that I actually hadn't been hands on in the last few years. So
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Philip Sellers: have taken some time getting back to a a knowing level of that technology and being able to help
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Philip Sellers: advised customers how how to use it best. You know it's come a long way since view, and the day so that was running it back at the telephone company. So it. It's been fun to just dive back in and look at that portfolio with fresh eyes. Is there any one piece of the portfolio? That
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Andy Whiteside: has been a game changer since you've been back into it.
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Philip Sellers: Oh, yeah, absolutely, You know, workspace. One has a huge, huge place, I think, in the modern strategy for
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Philip Sellers: how you control all your different end user compute devices, and how you secure those with with concepts like 0 trust coming on the horizon and really being the right strategy for most customers moving forward. that modern management method is a game changer, in my opinion, and
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Philip Sellers: we're seeing all sorts of other enablement around sample authentication single sign on, and things like that really just core identity that are also enabling technologies around making that shift for your corporate environment. So
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Philip Sellers: really excited to be able to talk about that with customers and and educate them about what that means when you start talking modern management for your end user devices.
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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, i'd like you to keep an eye on the customers as you get to know them. And when you find the one that has the most
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Andy Whiteside: use cases for the Vmware portfolio.
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Andy Whiteside: I'd like to know about them, and maybe we could take their story
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Andy Whiteside: to other customers, so people can see what they're
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Philip Sellers: what they own that they're not or have access to. They're not using. Yeah, we're definitely looking for those white paper used cases, the the ones that are making the most of it. I I tried to build that in my last organization.
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Andy Whiteside: I I think it'll be fun to build that with some external organizations. Now I think it's our job to help. Other customers know what other customers are doing.
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Andy Whiteside: because it's not natural to want to go out and look for help. You know. Everybody wants to think they know it all, and if you can just get them to let the guard down there's so many things that other people are doing. You could benefit from right and wrong, I mean, sometimes it's the bad stuff that you can see you learn from, but
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Andy Whiteside: that's that's what we do as a partner for goal.
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Andy Whiteside: I know it's a no, it's your mindset as well.
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Philip Sellers: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, sometimes you learn the most from the mistakes that you make. But, it's certainly something where, if we can help you not make those mistakes? That's true wisdom, right? And so we we're here to help you not make those mistakes in your environment, too.
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Andy Whiteside: I did a presentation in Phoenix last week, and
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Andy Whiteside: one of the vendors in the room. The customer no longer works with that vendor, and I took a chance to say, Well, why don't you work with that vendor? And the guy then ponied up and said, oh, we loved it. It was the greatest solution we'd ever had. It was awesome, but New CIO came in, and he had a buddy that worked for another company. Therefore we went that route. and it turned out to. You know what we represent
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Andy Whiteside: is either good or great solutions. So not afraid to ask somebody what they don't like about it, because
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Andy Whiteside: you know, for the most part it it out weighed by what they do like about it.
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Philip Sellers: Well, you know, every different strategy has a shortcoming or a trade off. Maybe not a shortcoming trade offs probably a better word for it.
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Philip Sellers: So, understanding what those trade offs are and how it plays in your environment, it's really important, because it may be the right solution for you and the wrong solution for someone else, and it's the devil in those details. Well, we have mo in common. This moment is our global CTO: Moen. How are you.
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Moin Khan: I'm. Good thanks, Andy, for invite me. Are you in your Home Office, or somewhere else? That looks a little different? That that is our new office in Canada.
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Andy Whiteside: maybe I can come see it sometime.
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Moin Khan: Absolutely.
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Andy Whiteside: I was on a call a bit ago. Guy had snow on the ground in the background. Is there snow in Toronto these days?
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Moin Khan: Yes, it is. Yeah.
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Moin Khan: how much you got? We got good snow or weekend.
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Moin Khan: And then did you have that snow buffalo got a few months ago, or now a week a month ago we did, but not as bad as buffalo.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, I gotta get up there and see it. I need to get up there and spend some winter sports with you guys.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, thanks for joining Today's podcast probably gonna be a multi-part podcast.
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Andy Whiteside: The first topic Well, the topic is horizon just horizon in general
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Andy Whiteside: and going through what is modern day horizon? Just as Philip was saying a minute ago. It's
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Andy Whiteside: It's come a long way
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Andy Whiteside: in in what it does in terms of the portfolio within workspace one but horizon itself.
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Andy Whiteside: You know what it does these days, and I think Vmware is in a little bit of a spot, because
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Andy Whiteside: V. And we're still seen as the desktop Vdi guys.
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Andy Whiteside: And the truth is, workspace. One does a lot more than that.
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Andy Whiteside: But Horizon has been such a good product for people that made that move
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Andy Whiteside: that knowing the other things it does
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Andy Whiteside: is part of just part of being a better Vmware consumer horizon consumer.
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Andy Whiteside: and knowing the the basics of what the solutions do so. let me share my screen. I don't think I did already.
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Andy Whiteside: Sorry.
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Andy Whiteside: all right. So what we're looking at is this: this article says, what is V, and we horizon. I know that sounds trivial, but I know a lot of people
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Andy Whiteside: are still learning the virtualization space and this whole horizon world of desktop, and that virtualization is new to them. Well, if you had to, if you met someone on the street.
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Andy Whiteside: and they knew a little bit about enterprise computing.
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Andy Whiteside: How would you explain horizon to them?
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Moin Khan: so Horizon is just a just a transformation of endpoints.
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Andy Whiteside: Okay.
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Andy Whiteside: that's it.
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Moin Khan: That's it.
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Andy Whiteside: Phillip. What would you say?
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Philip Sellers: I would say it's it's really a delivery method for your applications.
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Philip Sellers: I think it at its core. It's all about enabling customers to get their applications into the hands of their users.
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Andy Whiteside: So I don't know if I've done this with either one of you guys yet or not, but it okay. So this is a little subjective.
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Andy Whiteside: What's the most widely used Microsoft application in the World
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Moin Khan: Office
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Andy Whiteside: Office, Phil.
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Andy Whiteside: the calculator. I know the impression that everybody uses a Microsoft application has to have windows first. No, that's not true anymore. It used to be. but my argument is.
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Andy Whiteside: every windows computer has windows on it. Windows is just the Ui for explorer and the underlying you know, mechanism to get you to applications and things, and then ultimately to access to the kernel, and drivers and things that happen
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Andy Whiteside: either way. If I were to say windows is the most widely used Microsoft application world, would you totally disagree
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Andy Whiteside: So Philip talked about applications. No one talked about just general digital transformation of the endpoint which not many people think about.
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Andy Whiteside: I think I would say it's a you know it's it's transformation of the endpoint via you know, desktop and app virtualization presentation.
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Andy Whiteside: I came back from the Aws Conference. I don't know 2 weeks ago.
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Andy Whiteside: and I was just shocked how many people this concept of
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Andy Whiteside: virtualizing the application or desktop workload and then presenting it down a network protocol. It's it's like brand new to them, like they never thought existed. We know we've been doing it for 2025 30 years. At this point
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Andy Whiteside: a lot of people, a lot of people are new to it.
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Andy Whiteside: So it's this, this.
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Andy Whiteside: the thought document goes into. You know what are the key features, and starts with the features for the it admin. When the first one I here says, streamline image management.
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Andy Whiteside: What is that? And why does it matter
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Moin Khan: so streamlining your image management? And this has been always a big pain point for every organization when they have to. do a image management with
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Moin Khan: 1520 years ago, starting with the Mgt. That was a Microsoft deployment toolkit for distributing application. Now
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Moin Khan: that thing never matured. It always stayed where it was, because the concept had never changed. You are always doing streamlining your application management, what application goes where
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Moin Khan: think about every organization
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Moin Khan: every organization that is. that has 100 200 500 users. They all need windows to your point earlier that the most widely used application windows. They all need it. How do they streamline it? How do they manage it?
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Moin Khan: One thing that
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Moin Khan: that got simplified with the citrix and Mike with horizon, with Microsoft with aws coming with workspace of Newton is coming with frame.
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Moin Khan: Everyone tried to just give you exact same thing. That was Image Management
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Moin Khan: Microsoft, who was the pioneer in this when they came with Mdd. And Prior to that the smaller company came like all the Us. And things they came image management. They died because they just stayed where they are. They did not keep up with the
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Moin Khan: with the modern modern world image management. but
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Moin Khan: even even to a point that Microsoft now, when they came with the azure virtual desktop, they don't give you a streamline image management that that's the reason why
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Moin Khan: things are not being People are still not going with the native Avd, and they're still positioning either horizon behind Avd or Nodeo behind Avd, because that is one of the key thing for any company to manage, having a streamlined image management.
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Andy Whiteside: Well, I love that this talks about image management.
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Andy Whiteside: and it's not really emphasizing image deployment. But it truly is management orchestrating updates roll back tracking changes, automating replication. I mean that we've had plenty of tools since ghost and fog and those things we could roll out images. The problem was that that day, one divergence, the minute the end user touched it it became unique.
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Andy Whiteside: And that is where the problems kick in.
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Philip Sellers: Well, i'm sure we we we've all worked in in places, and you know we've never had an imperfect software. Release where we need to roll something back, right? I, that that sometimes the more challenging thing is is the roll back when you have a bad release, or when something doesn't go as intended.
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Philip Sellers: So yeah, I mean having that holistic image management's really important, because
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Philip Sellers: time is money, and those those robots aren't always fast.
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Andy Whiteside: Right?
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Andy Whiteside: So, Philip, i'll go to you for the next one, because you brought up applications, a lot of application management. I have to assume it's some of the same conversation as before.
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Philip Sellers: Yeah, I mean. So I look at application management and and think about packaging everything that's required for the application. So i'm assuming we we're really talking about layering at at this point, and you know, being able to package what
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Philip Sellers: registry, keys and prerequisites, and everything else that's required, along with the application for deployment. So you know it's it's
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Philip Sellers: It's the way that you get the application. There it's the way that you
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Philip Sellers: life cycle and update it, too. So where you've got your base windows image. with image management. This is the same sort of thing for your applications now. So you know, like like I said, you know, being able to push forward and roll back. I mean, that's
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Philip Sellers: That's a a powerful thing for your enterprise.
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Andy Whiteside: So i'm gonna add into that I think the way you answer. That was true by modern day approach layering, but at the same time those of us that you know published applications out of a virtual environment.
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Andy Whiteside: I don't know 1020, in some cases a physical environment.
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Andy Whiteside: that was application management as well. What I really think I like about the horizon story, is it's it's all the above workspace. One is all the above, but that ability to manage applications and get them to where they need to get to in a usable fashion.
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Andy Whiteside: Been this this ecosystem story
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Philip Sellers: for a really long time. Well, we talk about the consumerization of enterprise. It right? And so, you know, Apple came out with the iphone shortly after with the app store. This is really kind of the same sort of concept it's, enabling an app store for your customers in your enterprise, where they can get
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Philip Sellers: their whole client server application, their new modern application, their Sas base application, and t it all together, and in a a central place. So
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Philip Sellers: This is the underlying technology that's going to allow you to have that outcome.
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Andy Whiteside: No, you've been doing this a long time. What would you add to the application Management story?
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Moin Khan: So application management is always the the most important thing, and when I talk to my customer I tell them that you go to best buy you, buy a laptop.
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Moin Khan: The first thing you do is, install your apps
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Moin Khan: and getting into these modern era where we are, there is a constant update for those application. Now that application was a key, to begin with.
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Moin Khan: now layered with the management on top of that. How do you keep up with those updates? Upgrades newer version? paste? All those things that is coming down the pipe.
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Moin Khan: How do you keep up with all those things so giving you that capabilities of
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Moin Khan: yes, giving everyone their own play, whatever their own choice of application, and then having that key
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Moin Khan: management
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Moin Khan: that that's get added to those on being able to manage those application on real time
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Moin Khan: to Phillips Point earlier, that not only managing those applications, there are many things you are upgrading your role, backing your
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Moin Khan: coming up with a new version.
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Moin Khan: All those things get simplified when we start talking about horizon management of those application
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Moin Khan: and not only management, but also delivery of these applications on different form factor different flavors of operating system. At 1 point we were just talking about a delivering application on windows devices.
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Moin Khan: Now everyone needs application on their ipad, on their android devices on their Macbooks. So now that added another layer of management on top of having a need of their business application, and then we're running it on whichever flavor wherever they want
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Andy Whiteside: so mo, and the next one on the list, for I again. We're talking about it admins.
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Andy Whiteside: We're gonna talk about users in a minute, but Admins benefits here is centralized, and i'm gonna add the word real time monitoring to that as well, but centralized in real time, monitoring.
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Andy Whiteside: How does that become a reality in horizon.
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Moin Khan: especially in the distributed world where we are living, working from home. at 1 point, when things were all within the 4 walls where you are just managing your end users I started my
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Moin Khan: career as as a help desk administrator where i'm going, and fixing people's up printer and desktop, and installing all those things
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Moin Khan: I feel that has a diminished now with the with the virtualize, with the people working from anywhere
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Moin Khan: going into a virtual desktop versus a physical desktop, how do you manage all those things? How we? How do you keep up with that expectation? How do you keep your business users productive? so that's where I feel that centralized monitoring becomes a key where you are
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Moin Khan: able to see their experience able to replicate. And then that central centrally, you are able to fix it without having to understand where your end users are coming in from.
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Andy Whiteside: monitoring as a benefit of this world.
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Philip Sellers: what's the adage. You monitor what you care about right. And if you don't monitor it, then effectively, you're saying, you, you don't care to know.
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Philip Sellers: This is visibility. That's critical, I I think, to an environment so being able to see who's accessing, and how often they're accessing it. Are they having latency all of those metrics, I mean.
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Andy Whiteside: it almost never does. You want it to. But it was so, dag i'm hard to get it built out twice. The cloud platform pieces change that and that just doubles down on the concept. Yes, deliver, and then let's make it
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Philip Sellers: The the more that you work as a worldwide company you. You may want regionality for your users, and so, being able to
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Philip Sellers: to deliver from a zone where I don't necessarily have presence, it's a huge huge enabler for me, where I don't need to source a Colo and buy hardware, and you know I can get I can get presence in
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Andy Whiteside: India or that's that's actually the win-win that solved that problem a lot of times, because all of a sudden you had 2 locations, one east coast, one west coast, and you needed it closer to the user therefore it became the backup for the other, and it became the answer to the redundancy. When Company a and one, Major Metro, did not have the redundancy, even though they had 2 data centers.
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Andy Whiteside: They may have a primary data center with all the gear and hardware they had to buy, but then they could have a very small footprint somewhere else in the least
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Andy Whiteside: okay. So we've got about 10 more minutes. We've got 2 more. We want to cover on the admin side of things. And you know this one optimizing experience with unified communications. This is like the big reach that 5 years ago. We couldn't have done. Now it's just natural, and for the most part just works where those high end
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Philip Sellers: Yeah. So i'm using it here. quite a bit, actually. So you know, we we
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Philip Sellers: we, of course, want to drink our own champagne, and so teams and zoom out of my Vdi session is is pretty common. and it's great, because, you know, i'm not actually lagging or showing any kind of
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Andy Whiteside: no, downsides or no no trade offs. Let them look. There's just trade offs, but they're limited. They're They're not things that are. Show stoppers anymore. It used to be so bad. Yeah, get it. Forget it. Let me get out of this thing and get go native. And now you don't have to moment. Are you seeing that as a the game changer for adoption?
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Moin Khan: It is with the with the with the horizon 7 that included workspace environment management platform that allows customer to manage monitor and expedite the delivery of application desktop infrastructure across multiple either beat on prem, be it cloud.
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Philip Sellers: Absolutely have. And and really gonna kind of Take it full circle, and and go back up to image management. you know the one thing that truly fights, the number of images that you have is, what customizations do you need to make the application work for different users in in
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Philip Sellers: you know, we had the the 5 of persistent versus 9 persisted desktops continually right and non persistent, would drive down your cost of ownership, your cost of life cycling. It really was where we always wanted to be, but then
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Philip Sellers: The problem with persistent desktops is always going to be. Life cycle updates, divert, you know you you've You've taken a golden master, and now it's it's Got all this customization stuff happening which gives you unpredictability. This is just another way of driving that consistent
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Andy Whiteside: and maybe just maybe some of those will align with the admin benefits. And some of those will be unique to the end, user. And
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Andy Whiteside: we'll kind of vet that out. And hopefully, the win-win for everybody, and and I will highlight it. It's been a little bit of a talk down Memory Lane here, but you know the one thing always come back to you over and over again our space.
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Moin Khan: and horizon having that edge on with their air watch Acquisition airport was the leader in managing those endpoint devices. So with 0 trust, with Sassy, with the Nsx with with workspace. One
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Andy Whiteside: And hopefully, the folks that listen will maybe challenge us on it. You hit us on linkedin even
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Andy Whiteside: even challenge. Why, we're saying we're saying, but love to have more conversations with with folks, and we'll bring in the experts like Philip and moen to talk about real world success stories
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Andy Whiteside: I hope that you found coming over here that us using our own solutions has enabled you to see aspects of the the stack that maybe you couldn't see coming from the on the customer side.
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Philip Sellers: Oh, yeah, definitely. And and it's allowed me choice. I mean, I I've got a company issued laptop. I've got
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Philip Sellers: the ipad, Mac, my phone, and I get the same experience across any of those devices which is huge, You know I can choose what I want to take with me and be just as productive on the road as I am sitting here in my home Office. So
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