On the Horizon: It’s time to reveal the future of VMware Horizon

Our Horizon SaaS services have been a huge hit with customers, and it’s not just because of the overall increase in demand for remote work. Day after day, organizations are realizing how the unique benefits of VMware Horizon can help them lower costs, increase scale and visibility, reduce management headaches and provide a seamless hybrid experience for both users and IT admins. 

As we begin VMworld 2021, we’re extremely excited to unveil for the first time our plans for the next-generation of virtual desktop and app delivery based on a hybrid DaaS architecture – the future of VMware Horizon!  

Today, VMware has two platforms for delivering virtual desktops and apps: one for environments running on vSphere (Horizon 8), and one for environments running natively on Microsoft Azure (Horizon Cloud on Microsoft Azure). While each of these platforms leverages the same Horizon Control Plane and can take advantage of the same valuable features like App Volumes, Image Management, Cloud Monitoring Service and Universal Broker, we want to do even more to evolve our architecture.  

Host: Andy Whiteside
Co-Host: Erik Collett
Guest: Gabe Knuth

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Andy Whiteside: Hello everyone, welcome to episode 19 of on the horizon i'm your host Andy white said i've got a got a whole crew today got of course Eric Hello Eric how's it going.

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Erik Collett: Very good, very good hi Andy.

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Andy Whiteside: I apologize to both you engaged for yet again having to pull the I gotta go pick up my kids from school card.

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Andy Whiteside: it's us the reality of modern day hybrid work, I think.

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Erik Collett: It is.

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Erik Collett: I have to do the same.

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Erik Collett: Not right now, though.

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Gabe Knuth: We say adaptive protocols, so you can pick up your kids and still be productive right everybody wants to work while they're in line pick up the kids from school.

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Andy Whiteside: You know that is actually a pretty good play on adaptive protocol.

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Gabe Knuth: or a realistic when I hope.

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Erik Collett: Please don't.

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Andy Whiteside: know about workflows and needing to be able to work dynamically, which I think we'll probably talk about here in a few minutes.

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Andy Whiteside: And, and also having something that tells you where you need to be when you need to be that aka my wife, in this case.

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Andy Whiteside: I don't think it's all that different so that's the voice of gay knuth gave how's it going.

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Gabe Knuth: not bad, I guess.

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Andy Whiteside: Good gave you have kids of various ages right, you have some older ones in younger ones.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah 1311 and 15 months.

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Erik Collett: wow that's a big divide.

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Gabe Knuth: It sure is.

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Andy Whiteside: you're all over the place, when it comes.

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Andy Whiteside: To doing what activity comes next that any moments.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah well, and you know, maybe you know, obviously familiar with the picking up the kids at school thing too, but, honestly, somebody time a doctor's appointments now right, because every couple of months, I feel like is a doctor's appointment for the for the young one.

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Gabe Knuth: And then you.

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Gabe Knuth: factor in all the other stuff I mean.

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Gabe Knuth: I can't I can't hardly think of a week or two period of time that's gone by, where there has been a doctor's office at some point so.

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Andy Whiteside: You you go you go to all of them at this point.

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Gabe Knuth: I tried to but you know there's that there isn't one of those where i'm not sitting there with my phone, at least on outlook like i've never bringing my laptop or trying to work but i'm still.

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Gabe Knuth: You know, trying to work with a desktop interactively but i'm still trying to do things and keep up with what's up what's going on.

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Andy Whiteside: So that type of enablement with technology to get your job done here, we in better shape, or we worse shape than we were before we had that.

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Gabe Knuth: uh I think that.

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Erik Collett: there's a quantifiable difference now are we talking mental health are we talking.

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Gabe Knuth: Work that's where I was going right.

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Gabe Knuth: I think that, just because you can doesn't mean you should, but it is very cool to be able to do that stuff wherever we need to I think that some people take that and and and have taken it too far, and I mean look i've been working from home for the last I can't do the math 14 years.

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Gabe Knuth: um, and so I have learned how to balance the work and life when they both happen in the same four walls.

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Gabe Knuth: But I still I mean, especially when when people first started working at home, like march of 2020 timeframe.

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Gabe Knuth: When the laptop was on the kitchen table all day everyday people didn't stop working I mean it was 16 hours a day, I was getting ding ding ding coming in, for emails um, and so it takes a long time to you have this great power right of being able to work anywhere with any of your devices.

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Gabe Knuth: You still have to be able to learn how to shut that stuff off.

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Erik Collett: it's the shirts the shirts.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: No, no, throw in being a owner of a small business on top of all that, where you're like if I don't handle everything that happens when it happens, which i've given up on at this point, but.

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Andy Whiteside: there's this constant need to work all the time, just to survive, whether it's true or not, at this point is irrelevant.

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Gabe Knuth: it's it's.

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Andy Whiteside: it's my biggest fears i'm a look up you know 20 years from now, and like where did it go.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah i'm a big believer, not that this is like the INTEGRA philosophical podcast but.

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Gabe Knuth: But i'm a big believer that you get to be an expert at five things in life and that's like you know for me it's husband father.

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Gabe Knuth: vmware employee and then that leaves like two things you know, whatever that happens to be that that could be you know 3D printer guy or or whatever custom pinball machine maker person.

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Gabe Knuth: But I mean there's two other things to play with because the other ones are kind of locked in.

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Gabe Knuth: Any you've got when you're a business owner, you are you're like an employee but you're also business owner and and then husband father, so you know business owner takes up one of those remaining ones.

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Gabe Knuth: Not possibly two depending upon how many sixes you all and and stuff like that.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah my wife, she if she was here like yeah listen gay, this is.

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Andy Whiteside: justified it.

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Gabe Knuth: I just when I feel overwhelmed that's what I try to keep in mind like am I trying to do, six things because I don't get six things I get five things.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah it doesn't matter how awesome you think you are.

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Andy Whiteside: Some of us keep adding things like.

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Erik Collett: program through hobbies for me is.

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Erik Collett: ridiculous I, I have to rotate your hobbies to be interested in what the one of those those one or two remaining things and so i'm never going to be an expert i'm going to be well informed.

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Erik Collett: i'm never going to be no no.

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Gabe Knuth: that's what they are for me yeah the rotating hobby spots is all they are.

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Erik Collett: yeah makes sense.

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Gabe Knuth: So.

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Gabe Knuth: Anyway, it was over with.

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Andy Whiteside: So that gave gave your official title these days is what.

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Gabe Knuth: I am a senior product line marketing manager at vmware Bay i'm an EC lifer and all day I spend thinking and talking and and stuff about horizon and azure.

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Gabe Knuth: So that it's the senior product line marketing managers basically the fancy way of saying if horizon and azure intersect on on there i'm here to talk about it.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay, I guess, I didn't realize that so as you're specifically.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah so um so the end user computing business unit at vmware is broken up into a lot of different things there's horizon and workspace one and and then.

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Gabe Knuth: In in each of those product lines there's lots of different focuses on the workspace one side their security and there's there's all the different platforms have supported Google and apple and so on.

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Gabe Knuth: In the horizon side there's horizon proper horizon eight that would you know run on premises there's horizon cloud there are.

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Gabe Knuth: Certain other keep it like at volumes def things like that, and so we while we all kind of know what's going on, we each have our things are areas that we focus on, and so my areas that I focus on our horizon cloud on Microsoft azure and now that.

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Gabe Knuth: Microsoft has their azure vmware solution which is like V sphere as a service from azure as a Microsoft owned and operated service.

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Gabe Knuth: You can run horizon.

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Gabe Knuth: In the azure vmware solution, and so I cover that as well yeah.

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Erik Collett: Well, yours that consume some of your hobbies slots is that because that seems pretty complex.

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Gabe Knuth: I like to make it not.

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Gabe Knuth: It used to man, there was a time in my life, where I would have just gotten done working and then just started like building these things out and stuff.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah yeah um I prefer to tinker on other things, these days, but that's, not to say I don't like getting my hands dirty from time to time.

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Andy Whiteside: We kind of have to write it to make sure you're well rounded and know the subject matter.

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Gabe Knuth: When I i'm a technical guy by by nate like my background is technical, you know i've been a consultant i've been an in house it person it's it's I didn't go to product marketing school I just learned how to communicate about the stuff that I was doing so.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah so I have to play with it that's just part of the workflow right.

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Andy Whiteside: So we've got a blog we're going to review, I do have a quick question for you, being the year the vmware on azure horizon integrated with azure guy.

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Andy Whiteside: The entitlements I get from running as your multi session and ios licensing as a subscription do all those things apply even with those extra layers like V sphere, on top of bedroom place.

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Gabe Knuth: So, are you specifically asking about like windows 10 multi session, like the edge of virtual desktop stuff that you get.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah so that, as your virtual desktop entitlement is only valid with native azure workloads so you can't run a you can't run windows 10 multi session in horizon on as your vmware solution.

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Gabe Knuth: Just because it's running an azure it's still running on a V sphere platform in that regard, but that's where horizon cloud on Microsoft azure comes in.

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Gabe Knuth: that's a native desktop as a service platform that's that's running natively on azure infrastructure and horizon cloud does have the capability that.

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Gabe Knuth: The the technical description is that Microsoft our partnership for Microsoft extends the azure virtual desktop capabilities to horizon cloud environments and so horizon cloud working with.

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Gabe Knuth: The horizon control plane allows it to work with all the other horizon environments to, and so you can use horizon to man i'm saying horizon a lot.

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Gabe Knuth: You can use horizon to deploy workloads in azure on premises wherever.

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Gabe Knuth: And so, if you have some windows virtual desktop use cases, you can have those you can have some horizon on premises, you can have horizon elsewhere, and you can manage them all from the same from that same interface.

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Gabe Knuth: So you can use as your virtual desktop with the blast protocol and all the other.

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Andy Whiteside: This is this the most comprehensive answer i've gotten from anywhere anybody, including Microsoft with this point but.

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Andy Whiteside: Yes, for everything, but at least we know where it ends and where it begins.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah it right it's it's basically native azure or not, if its native azure it can use as your virtual desktop and, obviously, you have to have the entitlements from Microsoft and stuff like that, but um but yeah that's that's where we draw the line okay.

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Andy Whiteside: Okay well let's let's jump into the blog and share it with the screen share here and kind of go through what you're covering this the blog you wrote right.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah well so so it's just like him at all middle middle middle I think he's always say your name actually i've been pronouncing it wrong for two years now.

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Gabe Knuth: So she is the product manager for horizon she she's senior director of product management, which means horizon cloud on Microsoft azure rolls up to her.

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Gabe Knuth: And at vm world we were revealing for the first time the future architecture of vmware horizon and so that's what this blog is it's time to reveal the future of vmware horizon and.

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Gabe Knuth: So the explanation that I just gave you a few minutes ago about the differences between horizon which horizons can run as your virtual desktop which ones, you know which ones run on premises and so on, you know.

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Gabe Knuth: We have a relatively complex story to tell you know that's one of the things when I joined vmware I was like cool we're going to simplify this um.

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Gabe Knuth: And i've tried to do some of that, but really what.

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Gabe Knuth: What we needed to happen was some back end changes and that's what this is this future of vmware horizon.

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Gabe Knuth: were able to do quite a bit by having horizon eight on one side and horizon cloud, on the other side and connecting them with the horizon control plane.

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Gabe Knuth: But now what we're going to do is we're going to begin to unify the backend of behind behind the scenes for all different horizon environments everywhere.

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Gabe Knuth: For the moment, we're calling this our horizon next generation hybrid as architecture and our plan is one horizon for every horizon environment one platform for every horizon environment.

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Andy Whiteside: Long form one product license as well, or just one platform.

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Gabe Knuth: Currently, still we have one product license right now that horizon universal license will get you access to deploy horizon wherever you want to.

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Gabe Knuth: So that's on premises in the cloud both you know buy the license one time, you can use it anywhere and so.

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Gabe Knuth: The problem is on premises, you have to deploy horizon eight and, if you want to use it in azure that's cool, but you can you have two choices and azure right, you can deploy horizon eight.

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Gabe Knuth: into azure vmware solution or you can deploy horizon cloud, which is fundamentally different from a deployment perspective is a desktop as a service platform, you have to deploy that natively into azure.

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Gabe Knuth: And so, like I said, these things are managed together from the horizon control plane, but underneath it there's still there's still different.

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Gabe Knuth: And so, by unifying all of the by unifying the platform underneath we're going to be able to change a lot of things about how horizon is delivered.

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Gabe Knuth: we're going to be able to lower costs because we're introducing what we're calling a populace infrastructure and i'll get into that in a little bit, but.

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Gabe Knuth: Just to think about it, you know right now we've got these.

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Gabe Knuth: When you deploy horizon on premises, you have to deploy a lot of components licensing servers databases things like that.

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Gabe Knuth: The pod is like the unit of desktops that can be delivered what Eric what am I stumbling over here like what's a better way to say this, I feel like i'm tripping over my words.

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Gabe Knuth: No pod pod farm I don't know what the.

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Erik Collett: yeah this is your environment it's it's a holistic.

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Erik Collett: Little entity unto itself and then it's managed by this remote connection if you wanted to you could break that pot off and use it almost independently.

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Gabe Knuth: let's see.

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Gabe Knuth: Okay, and.

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Gabe Knuth: Okay pods are units of scalability that can contain desktops let's go with that.

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Gabe Knuth: So what we're going to what we're doing this is pods or what horizon is built built upon for four years now and what we're going to do with this next generation architecture which by the way, internally we call this project titan.

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Gabe Knuth: And I guarantee you I will call this titan throughout this podcast So if you hear me say tighten, this is what i'm talking about.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah so so what we're going to do those we're going to thin all of that out we're going to we call it the thin edge or pod lists architecture we're going to remove a lot of those components that are necessary to deploy and maintain.

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Gabe Knuth: and pay for in a customer environment and i'll I can describe that more in a little bit we're doing this with an API driven infrastructure that's.

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Gabe Knuth: going to allow for all sorts of integrations with third parties with customer written day to management scripts with partners.

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Gabe Knuth: To build their own services around we're really excited about the advanced automation capabilities that we've got here and that's also going to lead to better integration with our already.

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Gabe Knuth: hybrid multi cloud capabilities, as well as advanced troubleshooting capabilities and visibility into our environments that we don't have today.

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Gabe Knuth: So this kind of we're building it from the ground up and so these are the kind of our Those are our goals as we're deploying this next generation architecture.

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Andy Whiteside: And will this be maybe we can cover this when will this be available.

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Gabe Knuth: So available we're looking at first half of next year is for our initial release of this.

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Gabe Knuth: I don't have any more specifics about that that I can share right now, except for I can say that our were initially going to roll this out for horizon cloud on Microsoft azure.

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Gabe Knuth: That so those in those environments, will this this will just be like the next the new version of the back end for those environments and then over time, our goal is to release this for horizon on premises to replace horizon eight back ends at some point in time, as well.

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Gabe Knuth: That I definitely don't have any dates on, but once we're all done it's going to be the same back end across the board.

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Gabe Knuth: So, usually the next question that comes up with this is what is thin edge and pod lists and and.

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Gabe Knuth: The blog goes on to explain what some of that is, but I wanted to help out.

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Gabe Knuth: When you look at when you look at all the different components that a customer has to deploy on premises today we're talking about things like monitoring brokering a the.

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Gabe Knuth: image management capabilities at volumes manager there's at volumes as its own infrastructure components that need to be deployed.

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Gabe Knuth: there's pod managers databases things like that and, over time, as we built that horizon control plane that kind of.

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Gabe Knuth: overlays all of the different horizon environments we've moved some of those those components up into the horizon control plane, which I should say, is a cloud service from vmware that's managed by us deployed by us it's it's just desktop virtualization management as a service.

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Gabe Knuth: Thus far, we've added things like workspace one identity management.

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Gabe Knuth: pools and entitlements image management, monitoring brokering things like that, but still on premises customers still have to deploy paga managers and databases and advisors management and things like that.

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Gabe Knuth: And, and we get there, we actually have a beta customer that's trying this out right now that needs 35,000 sessions, and that requires a or no, they need 30,000 sessions which in horizon cloud requires, as your subscriptions because each as your subscription can only handle 2000 desktops.

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Gabe Knuth: or move to this as well, and so we're starting with horizon cloud on azure because a lot of this stuff is already there and we can we can get it deployed, we can start using it, and then building it out as time goes by.

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Gabe Knuth: Well, so alright, so when we talk about all the infrastructure components of this and and the benefits that we think that this next generation architecture is going to bring to our customers.

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Gabe Knuth: A whole infrastructure for each subscription you only need to deploy it for one per edge and so instead of going from 800 to $400 per pod we're going from a PR subscription we're going to $400 for an entire horizon edge so now 20,000 users will cost $400.

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Gabe Knuth: Is at usage, so if all 20,000 or say 15,000 vm are maxed out here, and we have to have a few different UAE geez unified access gateway is fired up that cost is going to go up some but it's not going to go up to outrageous.

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Gabe Knuth: I turn on the pen so if we just look at one of these boxes, because this year is showing a multi multi site deployment, if you just look at one of these you've got individual providers set up within a single edge or a single region so imagine like as your West right.

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Gabe Knuth: This is a single as your region, and there are two horizon edges deployed in that region, and because you know we have that 20,000 user limit, and so we need 20,000 users here and we need another, we need to put the rest of them over here, so this region, probably only has 10,000 in it.

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Erik Collett: that's right as soon as the handoff is done, the infrastructure takes over you have can directly connected to a virtual desktop and you start working with that virtual desktop.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah exactly yep in fact is that here.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah So if you see this one here, so this is part of the improve visibility and troubleshooting point that I was trying to drive home, but I think we're circling around that anyway.

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Gabe Knuth: If you look here inside the horizon universal control plane, we have broker right.

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Gabe Knuth: We have pod managers and database and monitoring and things like that, so a user that's sitting outside the environment is going to connect to the the brokering via the horizon control plane.

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Gabe Knuth: And then the broker is going to say hey user, you need to go connect to this horizon edge wherever it happens to be an access your desktop there and then the user will connect that way.

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Gabe Knuth: so well, I should say they connect this way, so the connection doesn't ever go through the control plane.

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Erik Collett: yeah, this is a reverse proxy of sorts.

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Andy Whiteside: Because it's just quick time quick time check this is this is good GABE is what What do we want to make sure we get a get a chance to go over between the next couple minutes as we start to wrap up.

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Gabe Knuth: Well let's see.

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Gabe Knuth: i've hit every slide I think I wanted to but out of order.

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Andy Whiteside: that's the best way it's always.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah I you know what that means we're having a conversation around it, but here's what i'd like to lana because I think we've been circling a lot of things and.

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Gabe Knuth: we've been going off into areas that I am not as great at talking about as say a product manager would be especially at this stage of the game.

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Gabe Knuth: What what this is going to do is this is going to simplify the way that horizon is deployed across all the different places where horizon can be deployed.

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Gabe Knuth: Our ultimate goal here is to have one horizon platform, no matter where that user happens to be so we don't have to have that conversation have a.

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Gabe Knuth: Okay yeah we have this capability, but you have to deploy in horizon eight or yeah we have this, but you have to deploy horizon on azure horizon cloud on azure as your virtual desktop is a really good.

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Gabe Knuth: You have to deploy a different product in azure as your virtual desktop is a good example of that right now.

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Gabe Knuth: The customer wants to use as your virtual desktop, we have to say hey you have to use horizon cloud to do that.

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Gabe Knuth: which has been great so far, however it's still a different horizon what the customers used to having and so there's that conversation that has to be had still.

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Gabe Knuth: That does connect up to the horizon control plane, and so, once it goes and was used to that they can use all the different environments, but.

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Gabe Knuth: it's still a separate horizon code base it's not exactly what they were used to use them.

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Gabe Knuth: Once we're done with this it's going to be one horizon for all environments and I think that's that's really important.

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Gabe Knuth: Plus we're making life easier for admins we're going to take away the pod managers, they so now that represents Eric what two, three, how many machines, how many pod manager it's deployed in horizon eight deployment these days.

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Erik Collett: Well, it just depends on the pods but yeah I mean it really scales, according to what the pods are.

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Gabe Knuth: that's true because right every pod you have you have pod managers and you probably got at least two per pod right yeah and so you know.

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Gabe Knuth: So if you've got multiple pods you've got multiple pods times to have pod managers and with with this, I almost said titan.

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Gabe Knuth: With this next generation platform we're going to remove that there's gonna be you won't have to manage manage and monitor and maintain.

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Gabe Knuth: Those pod managers or the database servers or the APP volumes management servers that kind of stuff all of that's coming off your plate as an admin moving into the horizon control plane where vmware is going to take care of it, and that means that.

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Gabe Knuth: Even more so as an admin you're only going to have to care about those desktops and applications.

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Gabe Knuth: So.

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Erik Collett: The way it should be the way it should be.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah that's that's what we're trying to do we're trying to make it easier.

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Gabe Knuth: And then you know factor in what we've been talking about with at volume DM over the years at volumes nowadays is package once deployed anywhere.

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Gabe Knuth: That is built into this as well, and so users or admins will have a better application management experience DM.

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Gabe Knuth: is going to be included, with this still and so users will your admins will have the ability to centralize the user environment management, and so one of the order of the user environments.

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Gabe Knuth: All of this stuff is just proceeding closer and closer and closer to this vision of.

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Gabe Knuth: Let us take care of all of that hard stuff you don't have to deploy that all you have to do is you know we'll give you the knobs and dials that you can use and you don't have to manage any of the underlying infrastructure for that.

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Erik Collett: and choose a cloud choose on premise choose any one of those the deployment is relatively the same for each one of those and it all connects up to that cloud broker or not, the cloud broker, but the cloud control plane above it.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah well an automation to I should I should land on that I were we haven't spent any time talking about it, but I wanted to bring that up to is.

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Gabe Knuth: we've got we're we're building this from the ground up to use api's.

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Gabe Knuth: And so that's going to help us integrate better with other vmware you know you see technology's not even do you see just other vmware technologies.

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Gabe Knuth: But it's also going to help third party tools think ticketing monitoring things like that integrate better with us it's going to help customers, be able to build out their own day to management tools and it's going to help partners, be able to develop services.

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Gabe Knuth: Both for management services or add to build out their own platforms, based upon this next gen architecture.

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Gabe Knuth: And so you know these days it's probing around looking for api's are waiting for vmware to release api's that doesn't happen with this those api's are going to be available for everybody, they want.

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Andy Whiteside: To keep it starts off with verizon on azure right or horizon for azure that's number one.

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Gabe Knuth: yep.

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Gabe Knuth: I got that one.

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Andy Whiteside: got it.

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Gabe Knuth: There we go.

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Gabe Knuth: So yeah it starts off with my goodness, hang on a second.

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Gabe Knuth: Too much jogging not enough water.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah so our expected release order, this is as generic as I could possibly make it.

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Gabe Knuth: This is our next generation architecture.

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Gabe Knuth: For now, eventually it'll become the backend for horizon cloud and then eventually after that, within the back end for all of vmware horizon.

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Gabe Knuth: We have a let's see.

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Gabe Knuth: Vida vmware.com slash horizon next gen info.

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Gabe Knuth: Those words had to be capitalized if you're just listening to this so capital H horizon capital N next you know what i'll just make another one that's all lowercase i'm.

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Gabe Knuth: hired@vmware.com slash horizon next gen info that will take you to a page, you can sign up for more learn about upcoming beta release information features things like that.

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Gabe Knuth: it'll just add you to a mailing list and you'll get updates on that, and there is there are sessions from vm world that go into way more detail about how all this works.

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Gabe Knuth: How pods go away and how the replaced and and more details into each one of those areas that we sort of touched on here.

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Gabe Knuth: And there's the aforementioned blog that kind of was the nexus of this whole conversation or that got this whole conversation started that that you can find in the vmware you see blogs to.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah because this is great, this is what you know vmware needs to do to make it simpler as game started off with across the different platforms that you're trying to work with this is a it's good to see vmware going in this direction.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah thanks I mean that's our goal it's um.

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Gabe Knuth: it's not the easiest story to tell you know but it's it's something that has to happen and and we've got to change the way that we've been doing things a little bit to make that happen.

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Gabe Knuth: Not that the ways that we're doing things were bad I mean it's the way desktop virtualization has been done sort of across the board.

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Gabe Knuth: For all these years but.

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Gabe Knuth: it's time to modernize that and so we're going to take everything that we do this awesome today we're gonna make it better yeah.

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Erik Collett: Simply compress and then.

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Erik Collett: also enable iot and so forth, is also very big part of that but anyway go ahead.

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Andy Whiteside: I was gonna wrap this up guys This is great, and thanks for jumping on this will keep people posted as the as the balls.

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Andy Whiteside: cool.

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Andy Whiteside: Again, great great to see vmware investing in making the platform extremely universal for multi cloud, as well as on premise.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah yeah well it's a very exciting time over here so yeah it's it's fun to do this so anytime you want to talk more had me on.

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Andy Whiteside: That it out and then saying, if you have things you want to cover like this definitely, let us know we'll make it will make it happen on the podcast and again i'll get this one put on the as integral YouTube channel first very first one.

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Gabe Knuth: Alright sounds good.

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Andy Whiteside: yeah all right guys well thanks for doing this and we'll record another one later.

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Gabe Knuth: All right, cheers.

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Gabe Knuth: yeah.